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Dr. John Butler im Audio-Interview über den Transforming Therapy™ Workshop 2018 in Köln

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Audio-Interview mit Dr. John Butler

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Axel Hombach

Hello, this is Axel from Cologne. I’m Axel Hombach and I’m the director of the Hypnose Zentrum Köln. One thing I do is, I organize hypnosis courses and trainings and some of the trainings I organize are workshops with Dr. John Butler. Dr. John Butler is the director of the HTI in London. The HTI that is the Hypnotherapy Training International, one of the leading schools of Hypnotherapy Training International. The HTI was founded many many years ago by the legendary Gil Boyne who changed hypnosis and hypnotherapy in a way that is still felt. Most of the hypnotist today really work with what he introduced in the early 70s and late 60s. So, now I’m here with Dr. John Butler who was for the last ten years of Gill Boyne’s, at least ten years, the co-teacher and there’s probably no other person on earth currently who knows the Transforming Therapy™, this seminal method, better than him. So, please let’s greet John. John hello!

Dr. John Butler

Hello Axel.

Axel Hombach

We are going to talk today about the new upcoming courses in 2018. We’ve already had some courses. In 2016 there was a masterclass in Transforming Therapy™. Also in 2017, and we already had some specialized classes and we are going to give more workshops on Transforming Therapy™ and specialized classes in the upcoming year 2018. We talked already a little bit about that and when we talked about it what are the Transforming Therapy™ course is about. John, could you give a short overview? How long are they? How in-depth will they allow you to go? What ideas do you already have for the upcoming course?

Dr. John Butler

Well, Axel, the courses that we’re going to give in 2018 are for different applications. They are of different lengths, of course, as well they are for people with different purposes in mind. Some people who want to become professional hypnotherapist they’re already in training or they’re thinking about getting into training. They will be able to come on these courses as well. There will be courses for people who want to use it as a part of their existing professional practice, whether that’s in medicine or psychology. There will be people coming on the course who are very interested for their own learning to understand themselves better and then perhaps use it for performance enhancement, personal development in life, and maybe other applications, for work that is not directly related to hypnotherapy, but as you know hypnosis can be used to enhance really almost any form of human activity. In fact, I would say every form of human activity activity because we’re always using our minds whether we are a musician a painter a plumber. Everybody is using their mind and persons running a business may have many challenges in that business to be organized motivated dealing with stress bringing out their creative potential depending on fields that they working in and hypnosis can help them learn to use their minds, to use that inner power of the mind that we all possess to use it at a much greater level of effectiveness.

Axel Hombach

So when I understand you correctly, this course is actually suitable for almost all walks of life if you have hypnosis professional already or if you are in related fields, but also for people who want to newly learn about hypnosis.

Dr. John Butler

Yes, that’s right. For example, somebody coming to a course who has no previous experience of hypnosis seeing what’s happening could actually get quite a lot of insight into the human mind, into the problems are developed and resolved using hypnotherapy as the method to resolve them that would give them insights into how it could be used for themselves for us for helping with their own issues and also helping them to become better in what they’re doing is I say that the power of hypnosis is so multi-level multi-dimensional and so flexible in its adaptation now I think we will also consider that there will be some courses set at a higher level where people would be expected to already have existing knowledge so that they can get the maximum out of that course so as I said earlier there’ll be several courses that are but that will be given.

Axel Hombach

So, we talked about that we are going to give a Transforming Therapy™ workshop and we are going to give specialized courses next year or workshops about the Transforming Therapy™ workshop what would you say is this more for the general public or is that would it be better to have already some kind of counseling background.

Dr. John Butler

For the Transforming Therapy™ class it would be better to come with existing some existing knowledge of therapy so that it’s easier to understand some of the interventions that will be demonstrated it’ll be easier to make full use of them but I think it would be of general interest to pretty much any member of the public but I think mostly what we have seen in the past it is professionals in hypnotherapy that are interested in doing this in attending such a course because they want to maximize their own effectiveness as a therapist and these classes will be teaching methods and techniques that are from intermediate to advanced levels of hypnotherapy so that would be easier to understand when you’re coming from a background already of being a therapist.

Axel Hombach

So, that means it actually doesn’t matter if you are an ericksonian oriented hypnotherapist or if you work more with Elmen style or various different hypnosis styles so you can it doesn’t really matter which of those backgrounds you have you can benefit from the workshop and get a lot of new insights is that correct.

Dr. John Butler

Absolutely! Even if you have learned in a very different way what you learn on the course can be additional to what you do have done already caused you to think in a different way about what you’re currently doing and how these other methods techniques skills that I’m teaching will add to what you do because frankly a good therapist is not restricted to just one system.

Axel Hombach

When you talk about therapists, I’m now asking because in here in Germany we have do to the to the legal system we make a very sharp distinction between coaching and therapy therapy hypnotherapy as the hypnosis that is applied in a medical or therapeutic aback round where definite healing purpose is employed while coaching is more like you know from life coaching business coaching so when you talk about therapists you mean all those together because you don’t make really this distinction in the environment where you live is that correct.

Dr. John Butler

That’s correct. I appreciate about the legal position in Germany and that exists in other countries as well that what is essentially defined as therapy is is really the work of licensed professionals from a psychological or psychiatric background or course in medical therapies of various kinds but the people who already existing therapists psychotherapy say in Germany there is much that from hypnotherapy that they can learn there’s much from a Transforming Therapy™ they could use now for people who are coaches who are using coaching methods and hypnosis as part of their coaching methods they can take and use many aspects of the Transforming Therapy™ work and use it perfectly legally within the work that they do.

Axel Hombach

That has also to do, I assume, that Transforming Therapy™ is a brand label and it’s not exclusively therapy is that correct.

Dr. John Butler

Exactly! It’s the word therapy of course is is really a word that describes any kind of healing or in helping work and it is of course become a legal term in some countries that where only some people can use the words therapy as part of their work but in the in the generic use of the language people talk about retail therapy and beauty therapy and so on without it meaning that you have to be a licensed mental health professional.

Axel Hombach

And the original that when Gil Boyne developed this method that was in the place where he lived therapy had a different encompassing meaning than it has in other parts of the world. is that correct?

Dr. John Butler

Absolutely! The use of the word therapy has become as I say legally defined as a practice that you have to have certain University training and postgraduate training as well within the academic system that allows you to use a inverted commas therapy on the public but I mean of course you know we have such a range of use of that word for our therapy and music therapy and we have sex therapists we have all kinds of people in various countries using the term where it doesn’t have a restricted legal aspect to it.

Axel Hombach

So when I understand you correctly, this Transforming Therapy™ workshop that we are going to offer is suitable both from my legal point of view from the legal point in Germany it is both very suitable for people who work Sarah Pugh tickly and also coaches or counselors and even well we we had in the last class we had translators who translated interpreters excuse me interpreters who were very very thrilled about what they were witnessing in this method so would you say this Transforming Therapy™ class as well as the upcoming specialized classes they are suitable for the therapists for coaches for counselors in general and also for those people who have an interest to learn something new on how one can change oneself.

Dr. John Butler

Oh absolutely Axel! I have shown and shown films of advanced therapeutic work being done to people who have no previous experience I sometimes show elements of that to first-year medical students have done that in the past I’ve had people from the general public come to a demonstration and their eyes have been opened to the power of the mind and to how the human mind works and it’s given them help with understanding more about themselves and often encourage them then to think about having some therapy work either per personal development or for their own psychological issues problems they have I mean we all need self understanding in life and we all need to function better in relationships and an insight into how effective therapy can help us with that can be very very useful for people at the same time the material is the extraordinary value for therapists who haven’t come across the approach of Transforming Therapy™ before I find a lot of people who come in our courses who are in practices hypnotherapist they often understand very little about the analytical hypnotherapy work and if they do have some exposure and training in that that in that method be before it’s really a very outdated form of old-fashioned hypno analysis often and primarily based on psychoanalytic concepts of the de trauma the Freudian view of the sexual trauma and so on and it really lacks the power and precision and depth of approach that we teach in Transforming Therapy™.

Axel Hombach

mm-hmm. So that said we’ve already had two classes in Transforming Therapy™ so we’ll the Transforming Therapy™ course in 2018 will it cover the same material or will there be new material different material will you add material that hasn’t been covered yet?

Dr. John Butler

Yes. Well, to take really two parts of that question for people who haven’t known about it before about the work we’ve been doing in Germany the classes we’ve had we have had such a positive enthusiastic response with wonderful feedback testimonials from participants where they were so taken with the precision adaptive understanding achieved in the therapy in the speed at which such a deep level of work could be done that they’ve asked for more now that was those classes were a good start to this work but there’s a great deal to learn to do it fully to become a very effective masterful level of you if you like of expertise in this work because it is a very non superficial approach to therapy students on classes in hypnotherapy are often told they can become therapists in a few days or a week but for maybe that’s just a start to training you can’t master say martial arts or music or painting or becoming an actor or say becoming a doctor or a scientist in a few days so how can you possibly come become a professional in mind therapies in a week so our purpose in bringing more courses to be available is to give people more information more understanding and so in answer the second part of your question we will be at I will be adding new material more detail will be added and because Transforming Therapy™ covers such a vast field we will be introducing this material with information demonstration possibly some of the films of plan of expect our therapy being done now all that could be done in a condensed way which is the way we’ll be doing it in probably 2 or possibly even 3 days instead of the two days we’ve done before.

Axel Hombach

This is something that we talked about. We have so many new material or material that hasn’t been covered that we are actually thinking about a three day course.

Dr. John Butler

Yes, well, that’s a possibility and we we will decide it shortly because there are several factors involved in in that decision including practical factors but in general I mean people are so keen from the course we’ve taught to maximize their effectiveness at therapy to be able to maximize the degree of change the speed of change and to know that this is a long-lasting therapy as opposed to just short-term making people feel inspired or feel better therapist want to maximize their effectiveness and this is the reason for the next courses.

Axel Hombach

Some people have already attended your classes in London n’t even taking the full 200 hour course from what you are going to offer and the Transforming Therapy™ workshop would you say that people who have taken your full course the full training will they also benefit from the two or three-day workshop.

Dr. John Butler

Certainly. Because it is an advanced art and it’s great range of skills involved in knowledge and it’s a science as well there are scientific aspects that we’re discovering more and more about how really effective therapy affects the brain there’s so much to learn that even a advanced practitioner sitting in can learn more confirm things already know gain new insights into it in other words it’s lifelong learning and of course it’s important for a practition to choose the level of training and the particular topic that they want to focus on at that time but I don’t think there’s anybody who is experienced in this work that doesn’t wouldn’t benefit from more exposure to it.

Axel Hombach

Can you give some examples of what you might cover for example? A great part of Transforming Therapy™ has to do with uncovering methods with Gestalt work forgiveness work is part of that personality traits have you already got some ideas with what what you might cover.

Dr. John Butler

Yes. Some of the topics we’ve touched on before and the GU style dialogue and how to uncover fixed ideas and scripts we and various aspects of therapy such as forgiveness now we would go into more information and depth on topics such as those and how to use the gestalt dialogue in the most effective ways the use of emotions in therapy that’s not often covered very well in courses the revocation of experiences sufficiently well that the client can access the emotional charge is the emotional content properly and how to release that is through catharsis and then using that to fully uncover the fixed ideas and scripts as part of then a profound decontamination of their negative experiences there problem is their sensitizing event the uncovering methods of course are a huge topic in themselves and we your style dialog is one part of that in the earlier stage the first part of the therapy of uncovering but you have sent sentence completion tasks we have a range of methods of questioning its best specific interview and questioning skills and techniques to begin to reveal the material so then the processing of that material where we understand about family dynamics that occurred in their lives helping them through the gustav dialogue with significant others to reach levels of forgiveness understanding integration they see a kind of a complete as as far as possible a clearing and re-education of the subconscious mind so a person has really new e perspectives on life where they are now overcoming their blocks to change and to get to the maximum level of change in terms of depths of understanding changes in behavior and really in the fastest possible way that can be achieved and you mentioned traits of personality well the traits of the therapist we were going to those in more depth we touched upon them before but they require quite a lot of understanding and development because therapist can be effective in some traits of therapy of being a therapist but not so much in others and there is very useful research that’s been done over the years and frankly it’s not often taught as well as it should be in courses.

Axel Hombach

I’m often asked about the sentence completion. This seems to have been a very popular in the first course that we gave two years ago last year that people want to know that more about the dynamics of the sentence completion. So, this could be something that you go deeper into if people would like, right?

Dr. John Butler

Absolutely. These classes are adaptive to the interests of the group we want people to have the chance to ask questions have their questions answered and to be able perhaps also to practice some of these things in the class depending on the time and the interests of the group so to become more skilled and as you say topics like sentence completion tasks which have there is a great great value in them and there can be done right at the very beginning of a session to help set goals even if a therapist is not going to use analytical hypnotherapy taking a person back to revivify old experiences and do that kind of reprogramming work if they’re simply putting suggestions towards the client to perform better it’s very important be able to find out what’s happening in the person’s mind that may facilitate or inhibit suggestions so sentence completion tasks we will explain the why how they work why they work where you apply them so that the person the therapist can become very effective in using them.

Axel Hombach

What about the specialized classes that we are going to offer we talked about briefly about, Transforming Quit, Transforming Weight Loss, Transforming Childbirth and how this might be applied also to other areas of application. Could you say a little bit more about dance we are going to make more interviews on the specialized classes so just give a short idea of what might come up.

Dr. John Butler

Well, these topics are often touched while we certainly teach about them in our diploma level and certificate courses in our 200 hours training therapists need to learn about smoking cessation weight loss and perhaps well certainly to learn about childbirth but these topics deserve further study because each person who comes to a therapist wanting to help with help with smoking they may not always respond easily to the basic level of knowledge the therapist has Transforming Quit as we call our smoking cessation program for example and if it’s similar to Weight Loss, Weight Management is really dealing with addictive behavior and many of the principles involved that we teach in these in the specialized class will apply to other forms of addiction looking at Childbirth, well, of course, this will encompass areas of fertility and health about pain management.

Axel Hombach

So, if someone works with pain the childbirth class would be very suitable for them.

Dr. John Butler

Absolutely! Well, many women are concerned about pain during labour and giving birth and we talk about that and about the birth experience and afterwards when people often tend to not focus much on that about there may be bonding issues sexual issues how to develop relationships and taking care of a of a newborn we’re looking at aspects of physical and emotional health and things from a person’s past that may impinge on their attitudes towards being a parent being a mother so when we talk about childbirth it’s a very broad range and a person who practiced that work can really do a great deal of good for women who come various stages of their pregnancy with different emotional and physical issues that they want to deal with.

Axel Hombach

What sort of support is given to the students after the course finishes?

Dr. John Butler

Well, that’s an area we’ve always worked hard on we are very keen that therapists become very successful in their practice so that they can do the very best work with the general public helping people with problems and in the process of course grow their practice so they can earn a good living that they’re entitled to because of the good work they do and they develop themselves as they go through their work is through their therapeutic life they’re dealing with their stresses or maybe there are own relationship issues therapists need help in different ways some is basic supervision somebody is mentoring and we’ve always provided a lot of health for people who do our training courses and we are building this up as a form of a our alumni as we might call them will be able to interact with us more in the future mainly because the weight technology has improved through perhaps forums or at least a setting up a way that they can interact with us on an ongoing basis and we can offer different levels of support depending on the need and experiences of the therapist so we’re going to build on to what we’re already doing and really make quite a society or in a way a movement for this approach to therapy that people can be part of.

Dr. John Butler

We already have a Facebook group on that a closed Facebook group yes that is open only for the participants of the regular classes and the workshops and we have an open Facebook group where people can join who are interested in the method but haven’t taken classes yet so the the closed group then this is an ideal place to place questions because you are all also a member of this group and no matter if they are asked in German or in English and German questions I can translate them and then you can give the answer in English and then we translate it into German and when questions are asked in English of course you can reply directly to that question is that correct.

Dr. John Butler

Yes, we already have quite a bit in place as to say we’ve always taken this aspect of our work very seriously we certainly don’t want to train people and just have them out in the world without good support so we do make sure that people can get help at different levels the their needs and we will take them with their questions and we’re going to make and deal with their problems and questions and be able to then take that at another level of course as well in more depth through these new technologies.

Axel Hombach

So, there are a lot of very promising approaches that we have here people are very much encouraged to ask questions in the two Facebook groups that we have set up as long as they are concerned of course Transforming Therapy™ how to apply how methods work etc and there will also be other offers that we are going to introduce but one after another one step by step we are going to have more interviews we are going to have video interviews also and with that said now done maybe some last words for our listeners before we come to an end for today.

Dr. John Butler

Yes, I said, well, I’m very excited and happy to be doing these courses and looking forward to meeting students and therapists that we’ve met before and welcoming new people and really helping them to learn this approach to helping people and building up this Transforming Therapy™ as a means of supporting therapists and educating them on an ongoing basis whatever their levels of expertise.

Axel Hombach

so and for those who are listening when John talks about therapists he of course means all people who work in the consulting fields all the counseling all the coaches all the therapists and all of you yes that is all the counts all of the counseling people and psych services but all the coaches yes all of the people helping professions thank you very much John I’m looking forward to our next interview and of course to the upcoming classes.

Dr. John Butler

Thank You Axel! So, I wish you a good weekend enjoy the time thank you and thanks to everybody listening and talk to you soon.

Axel Hombach

Have a great day speak to you soon, ciao.

Dr. John Butler

Goodbye for now.