Dr. John Butler über die Transforming Therapy Hypnose Masterclass Meisterklasse und die Workshops in Köln - Transforming Quit

Dr. John Butler im Audio-Interview über den Transforming Quit Hypnose Workshop 2018 in Köln

Vergangene Woche habe ich mit Dr. John Butler über seine Pläne zum Transforming Quit Hypnose Workshop gesprochen.

Transforming Quit ist die Transforming Therapy™ Methode zur Raucherentwöhnung und sie unterscheidet sich in mancher Hinsicht von der Art, die üblicherweise in Hypnose-Ausbildungen vermittelt wird.

Raucherentwöhnung wird in der Hypnose oft als Anfänger-Thema betrachtet. Dabei ist Raucherentwöhnung alles andere als ein Anfängerthema. Das wird ganz schnell klar, wenn man Dr. John Butler zuhört.

Dabei gehört „Nichtraucher-Hypnose“ für viele Hypnotiseure zu den wichtigsten Einkommensquellen. Bis zu 60% der Einkünfte kommen immer wieder aus „Rauchstopp-Hypnosen“.

Gewöhnliche Hypnoseansätze können zwar vielen Rauchern helfen für einige Monate eine Rauchpause einzulegen, doch nachhaltig sind sie oft nicht.

Transforming Quit bietet hier einen anderen Ansatz, der diese Methode so erfolgreich macht.

Zum einen vermittelt dieser Hypnose Workshop die Neurobiologie des Rauchens, zum anderen vermittelt Dr. John Butler seine praktische und theoretische Erfahrung aus fast 40 Jahren erfolgreicher Arbeit mit Rauchern. In dem Transforming Quit Hypnose Workshop geht es um die tiefgreifenden Verhaltensveränderungen, die wir den werdenden Nichtrauchern helfen zu erreichen. Und wie wir ihnen helfen, diese Veränderungen wirklich nachhaltig, für den Rest ihres langen, glücklichen und vor allem gesunden Lebens zu erreichen.

Transforming Quit eignet sich dabei nicht nur für die Herstellung von Nichtrauchern, sondern dieser Ansatz eignet sich auch für die Hypnose-Arbeit mit Süchten und Abhängigkeiten. Hier ist Dr. John Butler Experte: Als Neurologe, genauer Neuroendokrinologe, Wissenschaftler und Dozent am King’s College in London kennt er sich mit der Neurobiologie des Rauchens, der Süchte und Abhängigkeiten aus.

Jeder, der mit Rauchern arbeitet, oder auch Abhängigkeiten und Süchte in seinem Hypnose-Behandlungsangebot hat, wird in diesem Kurs wertvolles Wissen finden, das die eigene Arbeit noch wirkungsvoller macht zum Wohle unserer Klienten.

Enjoy, join the workshops and become part of the movement.

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Audio-Interview mit Dr. John Butler

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Axel Hombach

Hello, this is Axel Hombach from Cologne. I’m the director of the Hypnose Zentrum Köln. One thing I do is I organize hypnosis courses and trainings and some of the trainings I organize are workshops with Dr. John Butler. Dr. John Butler is the director of the HTI in London. The HTI that is the Hypnotherapy Training International, one of the leading schools of hypnotherapy training internationally. The HTI was founded many many years ago by the legendary Gil Boyne who changed hypnosis and hypnotherapy in a way that is still present and still felt. Most of the hypnotists today really work with what he introduced already in the late 50s and 60s. So, now I’m here with Dr. John Butler who was for the last 10 years of Gil Boyne’s life his co-teacher and there’s probably no other person on earth currently who knows the Transforming Therapy™ and all its offsprings, the seminal method better than him. John is currently sitting in London so let’s say hello to John. Hello John!

Dr. John Butler

Hello Axel.

Axel Hombach

So,  our topic today is Transforming Quit. Transforming Quit is the specialized application of Transforming Therapy™ combined with Smoking Cessation.

Before we start about that, we will talk a lot of about hypnotherapy. But to make this clear right at the beginning, hypnotherapy is, we say that because this is what you say in England for example or in the United States. You don’t make a distinction between various medical and therapeutic and non-medical and non-therapeutical variations of the application of hypnosis. Is that correct John?

Dr. John Butler

Yes, what we’re talking about, the methods, the techniques, the knowledge that we’re talking about is applicable to coaches, to counselors of various kinds, Axel, people who are involved in psychotherapy and what we’re calling hypnosis, hypnotherapy, clinical hypnosis, all of these in many states in America and within Britain can be practiced by people without medical or psychological qualifications. It’s different in other countries, but the methods and the knowledge all are basically coming from the same point of view that you can apply the different aspects of the knowledge to the different cases that come through the door and work within the legal framework of the country you’re in.

So I’m not making any distinction that this is for psychotherapists and this is for a hypnotherapist or this is for coaches.

Axel Hombach

So when we talk about hypnotherapy this encompasses both therapeutical hypnotherapy and non-therapeutical hypno-coaching.

Dr. John Butler

Absolutely.

Axel Hombach

Now coming to our topic Transforming Quit Smoking Cessation. Smoking Cessation is usually regarded something like a beginner’s topic and there are so many hypnotists already out there who work with Smoking Cessation and many of those hypnotist had Smoking Cessation as part of their basic training. John, why would or should one take a specialized class in Smoking Cessation, and later on let’s get to what makes Transforming Quit special.

So, first why should someone take a specialized class in Smoking Cessation?

Dr. John Butler

Well Axel, it takes a lot of knowledge, abilities, skills to have a high level of success in this work so really it is much more than what we might call a beginner’s topic. You need that knowledge to perform at a high level. We have to be practical about this, it’s a major part of a hypnotherapist’s practice, at least for many people in the UK. It may provide 30 to 50% or even more of their income. They may charge quite a reasonable fee for doing this work and it brings in a lot of clients, because if you are doing well that is, you get many referrals. So, we also have the opportunity when we work with a client for smoking to help them with other issues. Once they’ve had success with you, they will definitely want to improve other areas of their lives in most cases.

Axel Hombach

So that Smoking Cessation becomes like a door opener for more applications or more sessions?

Dr. John Butler

Completely! That’s a very important point. So it’s a very big practice builder and generates a lot of referrals as I said. Now, as the therapists become skilled in it they’re learning a lot of skills to become competent in smoking, develops their confidence and abilities in many ways which we could go into in some more depth perhaps another time, but you have to learn the skills of programming and how to uncover emotions that are being inappropriately dealt with through tobacco. You have to deal with motivation, readiness for change, and other factors within the individual. So there’s an awful lot of benefits to the therapists development and their practice. There’s major benefits to the client, many many benefits for their health, their emotional well-being and so on and benefits for their families in society, generally. So we look at this and if a therapist is not getting a lot of smokers coming to him or her and they are not deliberately avoiding smokers – which some therapist do, because they’re feeling not very confident. They prefer to work with things which are a bit more nebulous at times, like confidence, and they don’t feel confident and competent about dealing with smokers. So, those are reasons to do such a training. We have to look at the fact that in the past the studies about the effectiveness of therapy, psychological therapies for Smoking Cessation, they don’t show a huge level of success that many therapists claim. So there are issues about therapists being unrealistic about their success levels. And we’re not talking about the false claims and guarantees that may be made. We’re talking about people not being very competent. And really then over time what happens with them is they get complacent. They think while people are benefiting, but there are no statistics of any great substance to prove that their effectiveness is there that they really are being effective in what they do other than at a minimal level, maybe a 20% success or something like that.

So we want people to train with us to become very very effective at working with smokers.

Axel Hombach

Okay John, with that said, why should anyone take the Transforming Quit course? What is its goal? And, in how far is the Transforming Quit different to other courses that teach smoking secession? Or, in how far is it different to what people usually learn during their basic trainings?

Dr. John Butler

So Axel, the background and experience that we bring to this subject is a very important factor. We have been practicing, working successfully with Smoking Cessation since the early 80s. So many people consider us to be quite expert in this. I’ve had media exposure about this, being filmed for television, doing a Smoking Cessation session and being interviewed several times about the topic on radio and generally in the media about it because of our effectiveness. So, over the years I’ve learned from many experts with different approaches, different emphases to the subject and that’s helped me to generate a high level of effectiveness. And this course helps any therapist to maximize their success. And if a beginner is starting out, it’s very helpful to start with a greater level of success than having to learn very much the hard way which can undermine your confidence at times and slow down your development as a therapist. So it’s very important to have sufficient knowledge, skills, tools an understanding of the behavior of Smoking Cessation, so that you can become effective early on in working with clients. And if you’re already successful as a therapist with it, well, we believe there’s new things for you to learn, to review in your own approach to take you to an even higher level. Now, it’s a very individual and detailed approach in Transforming Therapy™ that is very interactive, very intensive and that highly comprehensive and thorough approach that looks into the many factors that contribute to starting smoking and the many factors that contribute to the cessation of smoking.

So, our approach is very much in depth. Our goal is of course is then for that smoker to have a permanent cessation of tobacco smoking with no substitutes or unhealthy compensatory behaviors, which can often happen, or replacing with other destructive activities.

Axel Hombach

So when you say permanent cessation, you probably mean for the rest of their long, happy and healthy life. Is that correct?

Dr. John Butler

Yes indeed!

Axel Hombach

And it doesn’t mean that they start smoking after six weeks or six months again because they had a stress reaction in their lives.

Dr. John Butler

Yes!

Axel Hombach

But they stay away from tobacco.

Dr. John Butler

Absolutely! It’s all too easy for a smoker to go back to smoking if they experience some very stressful events in life.

Axel Hombach

This is something that I have very often in my practice that I have smokers who say that they know that hypnosis works because they stopped smoking already before. Well, they started again after six weeks but they consider that as a demonstration that hypnosis works.

Dr. John Butler

Yes, well because if they’re motivated and taking responsibility for their behavior and they go to any therapist firstly there’ll be a placebo effect and bit more than that of course interacting with a therapist, if there’s something of a therapeutic relationship there, they can get help but that may not last if they haven’t dealt with a better understanding of their emotions and how to deal with them, if they haven’t made enough changes that were in that neural activity of their brain that is associated with smoking. In other words, there’s much too easy for them to reactivate those old pathways in the brain, the old memories of how tobacco has been a part of their emotional response to life. So that maybe still lingering in there quite strongly which if the therapist has done a thorough job that won’t be the case. I mean, we can’t guarantee your person won’t go back smoking ever because it will ultimately be their choice, but it’s very likely that they will refrain from smoking because they’re thinking and feeling differently in themselves and thinking and feeling differently about tobacco. A good therapist will be helping that client to replace smoking with health enhancing attitudes and behaviors, and we teach many techniques, we also go into the principles in-depth looking at that smoking behavior in terms of its functions in the clients emotions and his or her personal social life, what roles it plays there. So the therapist really needs, Axel, to know about how addiction and dependency work to an effective enough level, and we’re teaching about the physiology and the psychology and how they’re interacting and a good training takes care of that. And we do a very thorough teaching about the interview with the client, a detailed thorough interview, so the therapist knows the pro smoking motivation and the anti smoking motivations and many of the things, all the things I’ve been talking about here that make for a very effective Smoking Cessation approach by that therapist.

Those are reasons why a person should come on our course on the Transforming Quit course.

Axel Hombach

Another thing that might make the Transforming Quit course different to other approaches or other courses is that you talk about what is in your field of expertise. You are a medical person, you are a neurologist, you know how the brain works on levels that other trainers probably don’t know. Would you say that makes a difference, too?

Dr. John Butler

Well, I bring my knowledge and background and experience and my knowledge about the brain, about the neural activities involved in addiction and dependency. All of that, I feel, gives me quite a lot of insight into the neurobiology of addiction. It’s an intensive study now within medicine and psychology, an intensive field of research and I keep up to date with that research and I have been highly interested in that field and studying it for many years, so I bring that knowledge in a easy to understand format for people who train with us.

Axel Hombach

So when I understand that correctly anybody who takes the Transforming Quit course learns about the recent developments that influence or that can be used in the Smoking Cessation sessions to help the clients to get rid of tobacco.

Dr. John Butler

Yes, we’re going to teach the neurobiology of smoking.

Axel Hombach

And with that the various points that you mentioned, in how far is what you teach in the Transforming Quit course, in how far is this applicable to other topics and to which topics is its applicable.

Dr. John Butler

Well, the Smoking Cessation course, many of the principles and ideas are applicable to addiction and dependency behaviors, mental and physical behaviors that people have, addicted to different activities, the substance abuse but to other addictions as well, and there can be gambling addictions and many addictions and they are they have their differences but there are many commonalities. And tobacco addiction is certainly a very good one to learn about it. It’s a severe addiction and many courses treated far too superficially so that the results are not nearly as good as they could be. And if therapists were keeping long-term statistics they would find their result maybe are not as good as they might like to imagine. And that’s what studies, meta review studies, tend to show. Now other applications that are linked to Smoking Cessation, if you think about behavior changes that people have to make, setting out new behaviors for themselves with goal setting and goal achievement, when a person setting out to give up tobacco, they’re really setting out to generate new ideas and new behaviors in their lives about learning self-love self.nurturing. The therapist who’s working with Smoking Cessation has to understand about readiness for change and how people need to learn to take responsibility and power over their emotions, over how their past is affecting number ups because many addictions are ways of dealing with pain, unresolved emotions from their past. And so once you learn about Smoking Cessation, you’ve got a lot of knowledge to apply to other applications in hypno-coaching and hypnotherapy.

Axel Hombach

As you described it, Smoking Cessation is a very broad field and if you don’t do it correctly or properly, then the smoker or the client goes back to smoking after a certain time. Now, what I could imagine that you know the numbers that the success rate is not as high as many would like it to have, or would like to believe it. In the Transforming Quits workshop, are you also going to include your knowledge about how to deal with difficult clients, like who don’t just don’t want to stop smoking?

Dr. John Butler

Oh very important, Axel, to look at the difficult cases. And these are often the ones to come that come to hypnotherapy and to a coach they’ve had many failures. And hypnosis is often seen, as we say in the UK, as the port of last call when everything else has failed. And when they come they may have a high level of fear of failure, of expectation of failure, but also hope when part of their mind really wants to do this but there’s a very powerful forces within them, the physical and psychological addiction, if you want to put it that way, these factors have to be dealt with. There are wide variations about in motivation and levels of dependency and of course personal social factors that can make it very difficult for clients to give up.

And so we need to take this very seriously if we’re going to have long-term success with large numbers of clients. And I believe we can do this with the, and we do do this with the Transforming Therapy™ approach.

Axel Hombach

One thing that many people hope to gather from workshops are for example also guidelines. Are you going to give an outline of your personal approach to Smoking Cessation in this workshop?

Dr. John Butler

Oh absolutely! I will be bringing all of my knowledge, my skills and my experience to the course. This is what I feel people are particularly interested in learning and this is of course the basis of the Transforming Therapy™ approach to smoking is. It’s my experience of all that I’ve learned and all the people have learned from. From Gil Boyne and many teachers that I’ve had over the years. So this is all what students will be learning from.

Axel Hombach

Okay, John, that sounds for me, at least from my point of view, as some very promising workshops that will also help not only me but all the other participants who join in to maximize their success with smokers. I know from my own experience that smokers can be very easy and can be very difficult at some times. So, I hope that from what I’m going to learn from you that I will double or triple my success rate with the difficult clients. And with that said, coming to an end, is there anything that you would like to add or to say to our listeners before we come to an end for today?

Dr. John Butler

Well no, Axel, other than that this is a short interview, I’m looking forward very much to being in Germany teaching this course. I’m very excited and delighted to be there sharing knowledge and skills and teaching on Transforming Therapy™ approach to Smoking Cessation. So I’m very looking forward to meeting you and the others there for that training.

Axel Hombach

Thank you John and I wish you a good day and talk to you soon.

Dr. John Butler

Thank You Axel have a good day I’ll speak to you again soon.

Axel Hombach

Goodbye for now.

Dr. John Butler

Goodbye for now